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		<title>No, God is not punishing your kid because of you.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 18:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What an absurd idea! I never realized how many people held to this idea until I had my wife and I had a child with a &#8230; &#8220;birth defect.&#8221; People I thought cared about us let us know that such things happen when you don&#8217;t &#8220;live for the Lord.&#8221; It&#8217;s a disgusting belief. If these [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an absurd idea! I never realized how many people held to this idea until I had my wife and I had a child with a &#8230; &#8220;birth defect.&#8221; People I thought cared about us let us know that such things happen when you don&#8217;t &#8220;live for the Lord.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a disgusting belief. If these people ever read their Bible, they would know that even Jesus thought it was a stupid belief. When his disciples asked Jesus if a blind man&#8217;s parents had sinned to cause their child to be blind, Jesus response was: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.&#8221; (John 9)</p></blockquote>
<p> And maybe a &#8220;what is wrong with you????&#8221; (I added that in). God may have allowed someone to be born blind, but it had nothing to do with anyone doing anything wrong. Sometimes these things happen. We live in a world that falls apart. Bad things happen. You might wash a pair of pants with $100 in them. Genetic code might get mangled from natural processes. None of that means that God looked down from heaven, and saw me picking my nose in the car, and thought to himself: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Oh dear, how should punish him for that? I know! I&#8217;ll let his kid be born split in half! That&#8217;ll learn him a lesson!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The Old Testament is no excuse for such a insanely depressing belief either, because, again God said,</p>
<blockquote><p>The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.</p></blockquote>
<p>So no. My child is not some crazy punishment from God for my &#8220;evil doings.&#8221; Evil doings which usually, in the context of the conversation, consist of following Jesus teachings (imagine that! I&#8217;m evil for following Jesus teachings. The person they claim to follow). But that&#8217;s another can of worms.</p>
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		<title>Nationalist Day of Prayer</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 20:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>antijingoist</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Forgive my poor mood; today is the National Day of Prayer. It sounds like a great idea I suppose, but the results can be horrific. Today is, for all intents and purposes a day to praise the state, to pray for the health of the state, show off your spirituality by publicly praying flowing prayers [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive my poor mood; today is the National Day of Prayer. It sounds like a great idea I suppose, but the results can be horrific. Today is, for all intents and purposes a day to praise the state, to pray for the health of the state, show off your spirituality by publicly praying flowing prayers filled with vain words. I&#8217;m still so disturbed by it that I don&#8217;t really want to finish writing about it, or really showing it. Worst part is, I&#8217;m complaining about myself from a few years back. </p>
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 291px"><a href="http://apathyonline.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/E21393FD-2874-4678-9156-952CACAFC2AC0.jpg"><img style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; border-width: 0px;" src="http://apathyonline.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/E21393FD-2874-4678-9156-952CACAFC2AC0.jpg" alt="" width="281" height="77" border="0" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Those flags must make Jesus very, very happy.</p></div>
<p>Glory to the state! Pray for those overseas that kill families and children in the name of our great imperialism! God Bless our nation of death!</p>
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 291px"><a href="http://apathyonline.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/F15BF844-C49D-432C-BF5B-DBA5D58532731.jpg"><img style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 5px; margin-bottom: 5px; border-width: 0px;" src="http://apathyonline.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/F15BF844-C49D-432C-BF5B-DBA5D58532731.jpg" alt="" width="281" height="92" border="0" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Praise God for Death, Doom and the Great US of A!</p></div>
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 197px"><a href="http://apathyonline.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/55B3B022-1191-4F43-ABDF-EA87D57ED1D02.jpg"><img style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 5px; margin-bottom: 5px; border-width: 0px;" src="http://apathyonline.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/55B3B022-1191-4F43-ABDF-EA87D57ED1D02.jpg" alt="" width="187" height="281" border="0" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">More flags! Pray for the health of the state! Glory to state!</p></div>
<p>And lets not forget to use a supposed day of prayer as an opportunity to knock political enemies. Of all the things to criticize Obama for: killing, stealing, etc., it would seem not showing up for a showy prayer would not be very high on the list. But still:</p>
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 197px"><a href="http://apathyonline.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/112A9FFE-8EE3-4FCB-92CD-1FEC59E1B51C3.jpg"><img style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; margin-top: 5px; margin-bottom: 5px; border-width: 0px;" src="http://apathyonline.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/112A9FFE-8EE3-4FCB-92CD-1FEC59E1B51C3.jpg" alt="@BarakObama not attending National Day of Prayer is disgusting" width="187" height="281" border="0" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Whoa. Seriously? What&#39;s disgusting is judging people&#39;s Christianity based on how public their prayers are.</p></div>
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		<title>Missing the Point</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 04:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>antijingoist</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some Christians have an knack for missing the point of some things. For instance, how Generations with Vision views the Hunger Games. Kevin Swanson takes offense to everything in the movie, and particularly complains about how &#8220;there were two audiences watching the game, and everybody on both sides of the screen was rooting for the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some Christians have an knack for missing the point of some things. For instance, how Generations with Vision views the Hunger Games. Kevin Swanson takes offense to everything in the movie, and particularly complains about how &#8220;<a href="http://generationswithvision.com/2012/dad-and-emily-review-the-hunger-games/">there were two audiences watching the game, and everybody on both sides of the screen was rooting for the winner.</a>&#8221; </p>
<p>Um, yes Kevin, that&#8217;s the point. The point was to act like a mirror. Unfortunately, it doesn&#8217;t always work with fiction, with people instead choosing to complain about how horrible reality is, and try to stay in their fantasy world by shunning works like Hunger Games, 1984, Fahrenheit 451 and others.</p>
<p>Oh, and not to mention, he uses this to rant about libertarianism in his sermon (because, love one another, and the golden rule are so evil apparently). How can people be so deceived? </p>
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		<title>James Dobson in the book of Revelation</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>antijingoist</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[After James Dobson endorsed Rick Santorum, I found this in my Bible reading: And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: With whom James Dobson [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After James Dobson endorsed Rick Santorum, I found this in my Bible reading:</p>
<blockquote><p>And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:</p>
<p>With whom James Dobson has committed fornication, and has been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.</p>
<p>So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.</p>
<p>And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:</p>
<p>And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.</p>
<p>And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
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<p>Good going James Dobson, You got a mention in Revelation!</p>
<p><a href="http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/01/19/dobson-endorses-santorum-for-gop-nomination/">http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/01/19/dobson-endorses-santorum-for-gop-nomination/</a></p>
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		<title>AirForce thinks killing is the work of God</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh wow. The AirForce logo said &#8220;Doing God&#8217;s work with other people&#8217;s money.&#8221; That other people&#8217;s money part is spot on. I almost thought it was a joke. Maybe they can make everyone happy if they change it to &#8220;Killing family&#8217;s with other people&#8217;s money.&#8221; But using God in such a logo should have offended [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh wow. The AirForce logo said &#8220;Doing God&#8217;s work with other people&#8217;s money.&#8221; That other people&#8217;s money part is spot on. I almost thought it was a joke. Maybe they can make everyone happy if they change it to &#8220;Killing family&#8217;s with other people&#8217;s money.&#8221;</p>
<p>But using God in such a logo should have offended Christans before the atheists. What an upside down world.</p>
<blockquote><p>Rep. Randy Forbes, (R-VA), said the Air Force removed the logo several weeks ago from the Rapid Capabilities Office. The patch included a line written in Latin that read, &#8220;Doing God&#8217;s Work with Other People&#8217;s Money.&#8221;</p>
<p>But after the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers complained, the line was rewritten in Latin to read, &#8220;Doing Miracles with Other People&#8217;s Money.&#8221;</p>
<p>http://action.afa.net/Detail.aspx?id=2147517133</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Leaving Christ Out in the Cold</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 11:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>antijingoist</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[For I was an hungred, and ye told me to get a job: I was thirsty, and ye told me I was lazy: I was a stranger, and ye left me in the cold: Naked, and ye stoned me: I was sick, and ye condemned me: I was in prison, and ye told me I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For I was an hungred, and ye told me to get a job: I was thirsty, and ye told me I was lazy: I was a stranger, and ye left me in the cold: Naked, and ye stoned me: I was sick, and ye condemned me: I was in prison, and ye told me I should get right with God.</p></blockquote>
<p>Unfortunately, most can&#8217;t make the tie-in between the original statements made by Christ, and modern issues. While the original verses are indeed treated as still relevant, they are still mostly ignored by the general Church-going population. And God does take these very personally. All these things, He states, were done to Him, even though they were done to others. Because, what you do to God&#8217;s children, He takes as a direct attack on Himself. But, a little modernization helps to really drill the idea in, because, these things have been done to me directly, and to friends, by the very people that repeat the original verses on Sundays.</p>
<p>When we drive by a homeless person, and should &#8220;get a job!&#8221; we are shouting that to Christ. I am reminded of the TV &#8220;christian&#8221; response to the Occupy protests being &#8220;get a job.&#8221; We are told they are lazy. They are beaten, placed in tiny cages, and left out in the cold. They are condemned. And in prison, they are &#8220;bad people.&#8221; No compassion for the oppressed that we sing of on Sundays, &#8220;Come unto Me.&#8221; No love for our neighbor. And those that feed the hungry are thrown in cages also. We do these things in Christ&#8217;s name sometimes! And these are things God takes very, very personally. These are things He counts as done unto Him.</p>
<p>How our world would be different if a consistent application was made! </p>
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		<title>Nooooo!</title>
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		<title>9/11 as a Christian</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;We do not acknowledge allegiance to any human government. We recognize but one King and Lawgiver, one Judge and Ruler of mankind. Our country is the world, our countrymen are all mankind. We love the land of our nativity only as we love all other lands. The interests and rights of American citizens are not [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;We do not acknowledge allegiance to any human government. We recognize but one King and Lawgiver, one Judge and Ruler of mankind. Our country is the world, our countrymen are all mankind. We love the land of our nativity only as we love all other lands. The interests and rights of American citizens are not dearer to us than those of the whole human race. Hence we can allow no appeal to patriotism to revenge any national insult or injury…&#8221;</p>
<p>Tolstoy, Leo (Quoting the Declaration of Sentiments Adopted by Peace Convention); Garnett, Constance (2011-07-12). The Kingdom of God Is Within You (Kindle Locations 91-94). Kindle Edition. </p></blockquote>
<p>This is not a quote from the Bible, but it&#8217;s still Biblical. Jesus never fought for the cause of Rome, or even the cause of Isreal. He came down that &#8220;that the world may be saved through him&#8221; (<a href="http://bible.cc/john/3-17.htm">YLT-John 3:17</a>). What are we doing as Christians seeking vengeance against a people? We should be reaching out to them, and not killing them. How is it possible to juggle the idea of winning souls and killing them at the same time? It&#8217;s not. </p>
<p>It is unfortunate that 9/11 has become the excuse for nationalism and blood thirsty flag worship in this nation. Instead of using the dead to encourage more death, we should be doing the opposite.</p>
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		<title>Avoiding taxes isn&#8217;t wrong</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 12:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The state is made up of men with no moral superiority to other men. When these men decide to steal from you, its called taxes. How is it that avoiding theft is called stealing? It is not! There is no difference between the thief who steals to pay for things he wants, and a government [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The state is made up of men with no moral superiority to other men. When these men decide to steal from you, its called taxes. How is it that avoiding theft is called stealing? It is not! There is no difference between the thief who steals to pay for things he wants, and a government official that takes your money to pay for what he wants. Well, except maybe the petty thief is more honest about what he does for a living.</p>
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		<title>Some Very Silly Reasons for Not Allowing Guns</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the Texas Takedown documents is a cop giving reasons why guns should not be allowed on any campuses in Texas &#8212; not even to valid holders of the Texas concealed carry license. He picks 2 hospitals as the reason no campuses should allow CCW, and then picks 2 extreme situations, and a few [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the Texas Takedown documents is a cop giving reasons why guns should not be allowed on any campuses in Texas &#8212; not even to valid holders of the Texas concealed carry license. He picks 2 hospitals as the reason no campuses should allow CCW, and then picks 2 extreme situations, and a few non-existent ones. The document boils down to control. Cops like being dominant and in control, and if everyone is allowed to have a gun, they are that much less powerful in their own minds. Below is the document:</p>
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On March 4, 2009, you directed each of the Chiefs of Police in the UT-System to provide you with feedback on Senate Bill 1164, proposed legislation that would allow concealed handgun license holders to carrying their weapons on campuses premises.  You asked that the feedback include fiscal impact, procedures and the effects in the change of law and be completed by March 8, 2009.<br />
The proposed legislation is a major change in the law that will, if passed as written, have significant and measurable impact our the two institutions I serve, especially UT-M D Anderson Cancer Center. With the assistance of my staff I submit the following.</p>
<p>Before I provide you with input I would refer you back to an article that Assistant Chief Thomas Engells and I wrote on the topic for professional security providers in the publication Managing Security Today. This article was mainly focused at the traditional academic college campus. I have attached a copy for your use as I will not cover these types of campuses but rather focus on Health Science and Hospital related campuses. Neither of which are your typical college campus nor are they addressed in the proposed legislation, yet the provisions, as written, would apply to them.</p>
<p>Both M D Anderson (MDACC and the Health Science Center at Houston (HSC) are not traditional academic campuses as the proposed legislation appears to only consider, yet they both are considered “Universities”. While MDACC is a renowned Cancer Treatment Center (Hospital) it does have a strong academic and world class research arm. HSC has a practice plan with numerous clinics providing medical treatment as well as its diverse medical and health colleges and the research areas that compliment them.  The theme here is treating patients, research and education. The bill seems to focus on the education element at a traditional academic campus.</p>
<p>HSC and MDACC have a significant greater per capita of students and researchers eligible for a CHL, which is distinct from the academic campuses where the preponderance of students are ineligible by age to hold a Concealed Handgun License (CHL). Most of the patients and visitors who are on campus meet this same criteria. The result is many more persons who will visit or conduct business on our campuses, HSC and MDACC, will be of eligible age.</p>
<p>The fiscal impact could be enormous. I will provide our thoughts which are not in any way all inclusive or exhaustive by any stretch of the imagination.</p>
<p>1.	Cost to remain competitive and retain world class faculty and professional staff:</p>
<p>HSC and MDACC operate in the largest medical center in the world. With 46 institutions that make up the medical center the demand and competition for world class faculty and professional staff is almost undesirable. Since the proposed law would impact our institutions and arguably not all of the others in the medical center we run the risk of these key persons considering working across the street where they know no weapons are allowed. Frankly, they can change jobs in a day and never move their parking spaces. Will having to go through an end of life event with family members who are armed a concern of our physicians, medical professionals and others? Consider treating persons who have the terrible disease of cancer and who come with their families to the top cancer treatment center in the United States, often as a last resort. These persons are emotional taxed, often distraught and on edge. Introducing a lethal weapon into this environment might cause existing employees to rethink their employment choices and in some cases patients might seek help in other states with top rated cancer centers. We really do not know the final impact of this bill but the downside of allowing it to cover Health Science Centers and MDACC could be enormous.</p>
<p>2.	Cost to provide Safe and Secure Storage of Weapons: </p>
<p>We would have no choice but to provide safe and secure storage in all hospital rooms, outpatient areas, surgical wings, imaging and diagnostic areas, treatment rooms, clinics, consultation rooms, research labs, recreation centers, etc. This would apply to employees and patients. Surgeons would need a place to secure their firearms prior to surgery.</p>
<p>Our students complete rotations in clinics, surgical theatres, imaging and diagnostics, laboratories, etc. requiring them to gown up; they will have to have a place to safely store their weapons. </p>
<p>The probable impact is area and room redesign, costly and disruptive construction, utility connections, etc. The cost and scope of this should be determined by professionals in this area. </p>
<p>3.	Cost to maintain the Storage Devices and care for unclaimed weapons:</p>
<p>It will require the employment of additional personnel who can maintain, repair, replace and reprogram the devices on a constant basis. These devices would by necessity be of high quality and have the ability to track use.</p>
<p>There may be occasions that persons leave the weapons, but in our critical care functions we may have instances where by the patient expires and the weapons must be retrieved, stored and properly disposed of. This would require additional Police and Hospital employee time, additional weapon storage at the Police Department, additional research and legal proceeding to properly dispose of the weapon. This is not like giving the next of kin their loved ones bible or pictures.</p>
<p>4.	Cost of Police Response:</p>
<p>To protect the community and responding police officers, many calls such as disturbances, threats, etc will require a multiple officer response due to the increased possibility of the individual(s) being armed with a lethal force weapon.  </p>
<p>The change in response protocols and the possibility of increased calls for law enforcement response to person(s) seen with weapons may require the hiring of additional police officers. </p>
<p>There is the possibility that we will receive an increase in requests to have Police Officers present (for safety) at high stress, tension and life changing events. These could range from medical end of life events to employment terminations to major disciplinary action. While we rarely if ever get called to end of life events the unknown of having armed persons there might impact this.</p>
<p>The additional time and effort necessary to verify lawful CHLs should be considered.</p>
<p>As noted in item 2 Police Officers will be required to retrieve weapons and take the appropriate actions. This will require more police officer time, more police dispatchers’ time and more responsibility and work for the property office technicians. How much impact and thus how much additional employees might be needed is unknown.   </p>
<p>5.	Procedures:</p>
<p>It is impossible at this time to determine the number of policies and procedures at both institutions that will have to be changed to comply with this law. It is reasonable to assume that the number is significant and the cost to accomplish this will be high. Professional and legal office involvement will be required.</p>
<p>6.	Training:</p>
<p>It is reasonable to predict that significant training will be required for all employees at both institutions. The training will range from educational initiatives on the law and its implications and effects on the institution and the employees to specific training for individual areas to include the Police Department. The training will have to address all of the new policies, procedures and how to handle potentially armed persons.</p>
<p>This training will be costly, production limiting and ongoing.   </p>
<p>	  The procedures impact is likely to be significant and without extensive study with all affected parties involved it is impossible to fully and accurately layout. However, changes in policies and procedures will impact virtually everyone, whether a staff member, faculty, patient, visitor, student, researcher, contractor, etc. Procedures as to how to handle armed persons depending on their purpose on campus. How to safely and orderly secure an individual’s weapon. How to respond to calls of crime in progress, disturbances, or threats. The proper handling and disposition of weapons. Again, it is impossible for me to give any justice to this question for the reasons I have mentioned.</p>
<p>	The effects in the change of the law will be significant. I have described those in which my staff and I could quickly identify. Again, this is by no means all inclusive or absolute. </p>
<p>Lastly I wanted to note some additional concerns or issues to consider:</p>
<p>1.	The proposed law does not account for situations where law enforcement may not be able to rapidly distinguish a friendly gun holder from a criminal one. The unintended consequence may be a heightened response. It simply makes it unsafely difficult to determine who the threat is and who the friendly are in an active shooter incident.  In a shooting two years ago at a Salt Lake City Mall, the gunman was being chased by an off-duty police officer.  As the Salt Lake City PD arrived, there was confusion as to who the off-duty officer was &#8211; he came close to being shot by the responding officers who first thought he was the shooter.</p>
<p>2.	If weapons are available as an option to resolve conflicts the chance of utilizing it increases. </p>
<p>3.	The possibility of an accidental discharge inside of a hospital or in a college setting could be disastrous. Hospitals have gas lines throughout which could be dangerous if struck. Last year, one of the Joint Commission inspectors commented on this very fact. He asked if we armed our personnel with bullets that would not penetrate the walls. Colleges are full of crowded events whereby someone could more easily be hurt or killed.  </p>
<p>If students, faculty/staff and authorized visitors are required to &#8220;notify&#8221; campus police of their stay, then the need for a process for notification and staff to implement the process to have handgun carriers identified and a process the ensure that their license is authorized. </p>
<p>If weapons are readily available, there is good probability for the “option” to resolve conflicts utilizing guns. The teaching environment may be affected as faculty may be fearful to counsel or discipline students. In most situations where campus violence has occurred, the attack has been implemented quickly and without warning.  The shootings a Virginia Tech occurred in less than 2 minutes and without warning or provocation. In all probability even if students had been armed, a response action would not have deterred this tragedy.</p>
<p>The bill does not restrict carriers to only those appropriately on campus. Language includes all handgun carriers which may affect institutions’ ability to restrict employees from carrying their weapons at the workplace.</p>
<p>•	Permitting handguns on campus means concealed handguns within our hospital/clinics. This may increase the risk of an incident during an end of life event as well as presenting a care/custody issue for patients’ handguns.  University of Texas at Houston Health Science Center and The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center within the Texas Medical Center is not your typical college campus. Many of our building are Administrative-Research &#8211; and Hospital facilities and weapons should be prohibited from these areas.  We are a comprehensive cancer center but are considered as a campus of the university not a hospital. Thus permitting concealed handguns on campus means concealed handguns within the hospital.</p></blockquote>
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